Bare legs: fashion trend or another step away from elegance?

– Last evening my wife and I were guests at a charitable-recognition dinner hosted at the mansion of one of Atlanta’s highest profile athletes.

The event was a fundraiser to help Atlanta’s youth, and the honorees included many of the city’s most recognized athletes, television, radio, and entertainment personalities. In short, the fund raisers billed the event as a “must to be seen”.

The event exceeded my expectations for fare and entertainment. My disappointment was seeing so many beautiful women bare legged. Few – my guess is one of five – were clad in sheer hosiery.

Only one woman in her 20s was among the ladies in hosiery. This beautiful lady was dressed in an above-the-knee silk dress that draped her very fit body elegantly. She wore strappy sandals and very sheer hosiery.

My wife commented during our ride home about the “hard femininity” of so many of those at the event. One guest even attended in the all-black look with black hip-hugging pants.

I found it ironic that so many women wore 3-4 inch slides to enhance their femininity. But, it didn’t seem to remove the “hard edge” look.

I seek feedback. Is the bare-legged look a fashion trend that will come around, or is it another step in the lazy, casual-downing movement? I’m worried I am part of a “damned” generation. I missed the elegance of garters and stockings when I came of age, because micro minis and convenience were being accommodated by tights/pantyhose.

Now it seems convenience is taking what softness was left in femininity. Are those of us on this forum “lost in the past”, and out of touch with reality? Or, are there real signs that fashion will return to elegance?

– Some various thoughts…

1) Increasingly I’m finding that men are dressing better than women! What a turnaround this is. There are still a lot of men wearing classic suit styles, only the cuts and colours are better than ever. And ironically the ‘casual workplace’ look I think has upgraded men’s wear. Dressy casual has ‘cottoned’ on and given men a higher standard for dressing, even if they don’t have to dress so formally – or ‘because’ they don’t have to dress so formally.

2) The bare-legged look seems to grow and grow, and appears also to grow in tandem with the ‘all black’ clothing look. The hosiery industry simply isn’t fighting back.

3) ‘Hard femininity’ – that’s a good term for it. I’m not quite sure what the appeal is here? I think a lot of younger women particularly want to appear tough – in their personality and style, and maybe current fashion trends manifest this.

– “Hard femininity” – that’s an excellent description!

When I walk through the city in the mornings – and Boston is lovely early in the day – I see all these young, attractive women, first with no stockings on their legs and secondly, with the most heinous, unflattering shoes as well! It almost seems as if they’re willing to wear what is popular, without giving a thought to “does it suit my body shape? ”

They seem as if a look from them would cut a jagged hole in you. They don’t have any softness to them, and the clothing nowadays seems to discourage any celebration of womanly curves – the things that drive men wild.

Do you see the interesting paradox? They want to attract attention, but not the kind that will think them soft and weak. As if femininity is a weakness. And then those same women lament that they can’t find a husband.

Women have been looking soft and feminine for generations and still getting stuff done. Do we have to sacrifice one for advances in the other?

I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade, but I think this no-hose look is one we’re all going to have to get used to.

– Luckily I live in the midwest where seeing beautiful young women in nylons is apparently more common than on the coasts. Last night, I counted a total of five women in a small bar that were wearing nylons. They were mostly nude in colour. My girlfriend’s were dark tan. There were even some open toed shoes with nylons. Not too bad at all.

– Being in the Atlanta area, and in business, but was not lucky enough to have an invitation to the event, I was saddened to hear about the state of affairs.

Yes, I agree with “hard femininity” and all it brings. I liken it to the backlash of an era when women were treated as frail things, however, that hasn’t happened since the late ’60s (in my opinion). This current generation and their fondness for the bare-legged look with unflattering shoes is hopefully a phase before we turn back toward elegance for women. Admittedly, it is a phase that is strong and has a lot of momentum.

I also think it is “coastal” (both). I have spent a lot of time in Texas and Arizona and even in the summer I saw plenty of attractive and stylish women (all ages) wearing nice hose and proper shoes.

It is sad and damnable that we will probably have this look for a while. Where I disagree is in blaming the look on hosiery companies not fighting back. I blame it on those psycho “fashion designers” who have every model bare legged in every show. They’re telling people this is fashionable.

– I agree. I think the targets for our real wrath should be the fashion designers. But I still scratch my head at the seeming inability of the hosiery industry to mount any type of counter-offensive. Don’t clothing manufacturers have any cachet with designers? Can’t they “pay” anyone to model their clothes? Can’t they “pay” for high-profile product placements in movies, for celebrity guests on talk shows? Can someone please explain this to me? I don’t understand why the hosiery industry rolls over and plays dead.

– You make a very good point I hadn’t considered. Even though the fashion designers are to blame, the hosiery industry doesn’t take a stab at it.

I don’t want to go off on a rant, but I have contacted a large number of hosiery manufacturers and simply put, they aren’t into “rocking the boat”. A number of responses were canned “thank you for contacting us” but an equal number were basically “we are considering it but don’t see it being a move at this time”.

What I took this to mean is simple retail business; “as long as the product is selling, don’t mess with it. ” These companies sell a lot of hosiery already. Spending more and promoting something that isn’t currently popular outside a niche is not something they are willing to do.

– I work with young ladies and yes, even here in New Zealand, I am disgusted by the way that they dress these days. Many of them don’t even know how to put on a skirt or a dress, let alone a pair of stockings. In fact, many girls in the town in which I live in wouldn’t even know what a pair of stockings looked like. Every now and again you will get someone who takes pride in being a lady by throwing away the hideous trousers that they are into these days and puts on a lovely dress or skirt and top, complete with stockings and heels.

– During the ’80s, I was a manager for a furniture manufacturing firm in High Point, NC.

Hosiery firms surrounded High Point, and I was surprised that few marketed their products direct, but simply manufactured to specs for “front companies” that followed fashion trends.

When the company I managed started manufacturing under license for designers, I understood the business model of hosiery firms.

The business model of reacting to fashion trends captured by designers is less risky than marketing your products. It is also more profitable to make exactly what a client orders to spec – no excess inventory.

The majors mostly market to support their retailers, (ie. Hanes co-op ads with their larger retailers) and their advertising contribution is directly tied to the size of the retailer’s order.

Bare legs are sexy? Dream on…

– I would like to comment on the disturbing phenomenon of a lack of hosiery on women (particularly in the US where it has reached epidemic proportions) and offer a possible reason for it.

Forget for a moment about stockings – here we are concerned with pantyhose (tights). For men old enough to remember, consider how we felt when pantyhose became dominant over gartered stockings: perhaps the biggest objection from males was that pantyhose prevented “access”. It was so much easier to, shall we say, “pet”, when a female was not covered to the waist by a fabric that was not easily removable. With stockings, only the panties (knickers) stood in our way, and they could be gotten around. Not so with pantyhose.

So, a few generations of women grew up never wearing stockings, only pantyhose. In recent years, these young ladies have seen their sexy movie and TV stars wearing “no pantyhose”. Have they perhaps perceived that this is very sexy, because these media stars are suggesting “easy access”? And might not the stars have intended to convey this very message? I think this may be a partial explanation of what we are seeing. Since stockings have generally been much less available that pantyhose, the younger generation, not considering the alternative of wearing stockings, might very well conclude that “no-pantyhose is sexy” which, to them, equals “bare legs are sexy”.

Hopefully, newer generations will become more aware of stockings (how that will happen is another area of discussion) and realise that they are even more sexy than no hosiery. What do you think?

– I think that it is slowly changing thanks to the recent movie Moulin Rouge… at least short term. My fiance works for a major lingerie store found in most malls, and she said that she had about eight girls come in on her last day of work, and six on the day before that asking for… this is the funny part… “Moulin Rouge pantyhose” LOL! They didn’t know that they were called stay ups or stockings. None of the sales were individual… seems like friends are getting together and getting curious… then heading to Victoria’s to buy a pair. We’ll see what happens… and if it lasts.

According to her guesstimates… all were ages 17 to 20, with the oldest not possibly being older than 22.

– I would consider this a brief phenomenon, based on the Christina Aguilera influence. For those of us old enough to remember, this smacks of the whole bustier thing that happened in the 80s after Madonna hit the scene. It fizzled too.

– I’m not sure what the bare legs phenomenon is all about. It may be a combo of things – certainly the current fashion ‘style’, mixed with easy casual wear and the decline in ‘formal’ femininity. This has really been where the present generation of young women diverts from previous ones. In past generations women always seemed to spend much more time on looking good and dressing well – and ‘wanted’ to. Not so today. (Yet many young women still consider themselves feminine). In addition, a great many women have come to hate nylon hosiery of any kind. They find it restrictive and don’t necessarily equate femininity with having to wear it. I find bare legs tacky, just as I find so much of current fashion, esp among young women (low-rise pants and flares, bulbous and thick-soled boots, chunky 70s-era platform shoes) tasteless. But it may be only a trend. My fear is that a generation-and-a-half of young women are growing up not even wearing pantyhose let alone stockings…

However, if a campaign about stockings (not pantyhose) was directed at them – demonstrating how sexy, chic (esp with patterns) and non-restrictive (compared to p’hose) they are, it may turn some corner… As for Moulin Rouge my hunch is also that it will be a flash in the pan. The movie isn’t that popular, there’s little ‘buzz’ around it (except the Aguilera video, which seems to be denounced as ‘tarty’) and I don’t think it will have lasting effect. In fact on the Vogue web site, when asked if the movie would have influence on trends the few replies were directed towards foundation garments – bustiers and corsets. Not one mention about good ol’ stockings.

– While cultural influences such as movies and celebrities may influence fads as has been suggested, the real influence on fashion is values.

Correspondents here often point to the decline of elegance in America to the influence of “Libbers”. They are right in my opinion. I think the socio-political climate associated with “respect” is the real issue.

Where in America are you most likely to see elegantly dressed ladies that are dressed in gartered stockings? The opera and the Kentucky Derby are examples where large numbers of women plan their elegance for weeks in advance.

US society moves at such a fast pace that men and women view elegance as unaffordable from a time perspective. It’s in US locations where the pace is slower that elegance is most often displayed.

This subject has promoted much personal thought the past few weeks. A celebrity won’t influence the return of elegance. A movie won’t influence the return of elegance. Only significant social change related to respect for others will bring about this change, Slowly, but surely, we are moving away from elegance.

I conclude that we can only influence the change within ourselves, and influence change among those we “touch” every day with a positive, gracious example of how to express class and project elegance.

I’m wearing a business suit, white shirt, and silk tie to work today. I’m going to greet everyone I meet today with a smile, and treat each individual with respect and dignity.

– I also tend to agree that Moulin Rouge will have a relatively short and perhaps spectacular shelf life. Whilst confessing to be a bit of a “movie buff” I cannot exactly justify the reason, except that it will never join the musical evergreens such as Singing in the Rain, or the original Can Can.

The fashions will probably encourage some of the more enquiring minds to ask about the portrayed leg fashions, but it will be above the intelligence of the hordes of 18+ olds with flared pants and shapeless chunks for shoes. Society is what has to change in order to encourage even a little more class in the way ladies present themselves.

– I am in complete agreement. I was astonished by an article in the paper here last week about young ladies getting dressed up for the prom. Apparently, in addition to the whole stockings issue, this self-same generation has never worn a pair of proper high heeled shoes! When being assisted with their dresses, they had to have lessons in how to walk properly in heels, instead of clunking around flat-footed like horses. Now, isn’t that sad? It’s a telling thing that young girls have no proper mother figure to teach them posture, grace, hell even proper manners!

Could we be in need for the return of finishing schools? And while we’re on the subject, there should be the same thing for young boys – to learn how to eat properly, stand when a lady enters the room, etc. The only young boys I see of late who are polite (but still boisterous) go to Catholic boys school near my office.

– I hate to agree with everybody here, but there does seem to be a lack of knowledge on how to dress. Every weekend I get at least two or three girls in the shop who do not know the difference between stockings, hold-ups and tights. I have to point out on my body where they come to and double check at the counter (my apologies to any ladies who have bought stockings from me as I have got a few strange looks and ‘yes I know they are stockings’).

I am now changing my packaging: blue with an illustration of a girl in tights for tights and pink with an illustration of a girl in stockings for stockings and hold-ups. Perhaps it would be easier if I just changed the name to ‘Moulin Rouge Tights’.