A challenge regarding attitudes of women

– Another contributor has offered an opinion basically regarding why women wear lingerie and its effect. I disagree with his viewpoint. He feels my opinion is off-base. Fair enough, I am known for taking on a good challenge. I will also admit if I am wrong.

Let the polling begin. Please keep it civil without a bunch of attacks on the respondents or their opinions. I hope this will be educational. To all who know me, or know of me, I ask that this be a genuine poll by serious contributors:

PONT: The other contributor has the opinion that “if there were no men around women would dress in Mou-Mou’s. Women could care less about tactile stimulation whatever the hell that is” and “the only reasons women dress in silks, satins and laces at all is either because men design the clothes or they are dressing that way to attract a man. As soon as they have him its all gone. Hell, most women don’t even have orgasms much less all day orgasms. Sure there are a few exceptions but mostly women are only stimulated by talking to other women.”

COUNTERPOINT: I take the opposing viewpoint. I believe that woman DO in fact dress to please themselves, as well as those they are trying to attract. I believe that if a woman was stranded by herself, and could not be naked, (and without the pressures of competing in the business world) and she had a rack of feminine clothes on one hand and a rack of masculine clothes on the other hand that she would choose to dress in feminine clothes at least 50% of the time. I think it is inherent in a woman’s nature to dress in soft fabrics that look and feel better than coarse non-descript “mou-mou” outfits. Finally I do think that woman do have orgasms (in and out of the bedroom!).

I hope I am not wrong!

– My wife and I want to thank you in advance for this educational polling. We both agree in your viewpoint. We believe that women do enjoy the feel of soft material against their skin. Granted women do use clothing and accessories to attract men. But given the opportunity to dress up in a non male environment, women still would if just for their own self esteem.

– I always dress in what feels best to me. I have many skirts and dresses I love to wear because I love the feel of them. I have always liked lace just because it makes me feel good and it looks so pretty. I dress mainly to please myself, but this can also include wearing something special for my husband. But mainly I dress in soft fabrics and prints because that is what I love.

– I agree with you entirely and wanted to post a reply to the original post – but didn’t for obvious reasons.

I found the original quote that we only dress up because men (what decade is he living in?) design the clothes extremely offensive and narrow-minded. Women wear what they want for whatever reason. I like to dress up as it gives me a boost of self-esteem and confidence. As for male attention, I actually get more when I’m in the launderette and looking really scruffy.

I could go on for ages about this but I don’t want to cause trouble so I’ll keep it short and concise.

– Okay, time to add my two cents.

I think the original suggestion is correct on one count – there are always those women who will wear ugly, ill shapen clothing. This could be because they have horrid taste, or just don’t care.

That’s perhaps a segment of the population we should just discard for our purposes.

However, I must agree on the other side that women in fact dress to impress other women as much or not more than men. Women do choose clothing both by feel and texture. Why else would pretty underthings be made in silks and satins if the feel of them close to our skin was not appealing?

You don’t see lingerie made out of burlap, do you? The feel of fabric is not dismissed when we are shopping. I have turned my nose up at items that looked nice, but when I handled the fabric, it felt rough and coarse.

As for the assertion that most women don’t have orgasms, much less all day ones, seems a little extreme. What sometimes gets lost in this issue is determining which kind of orgasm you’re talking about. There are more than one, and some take a concerted effort by both parties to figure out how to make it happen.

And lastly, if I were stranded (where, would make a big difference) and given the choice as to my clothing, I think practicality takes precedence over fashion anytime. If I’m on a mountain and need to conserve energy, I would be dressing in layers, with Gore-tex and nylon, with plenty of water and food and creating a shelter out of what’s available until I’m able to get myself back on the trail and to safety. I know this is an extreme example, but I think a good one.

– Women dress for themselves. I’ve known women who dress very femininely – for themselves, and would hate to wear any article that came close to “men’s clothing”. Unfortunately this type of women seem to be fewer and fewer (or at least older in age), with more and more dressing in nondescript unisex clothes with possibly a tinge of femininity. Often it’s rather “unfeminine” slacks and tops made of natural fibres. Jockey cotton undershirts and pants that look very similar to men’s attire have been a definite choice for women who want “comfortable” underwear. Women may still ‘dress up’ on occasions and may also dress more femininely and sexually for men. But not as much as they used to.

As for orgasms, the myth of females not having orgasms is very much alive. I’ve known women who could have an orgasm merely by being touched on their arm or their side, and could have dozens of orgasms in one night – I kid you not! And, alas, I’ve known women who could barely reach orgasm.

– Time for my two cents worth. I dress for my comfort and enjoyment. It just so happens that the way I dress may also be attractive to men, and hopefully, also to women.

I’ve just returned from a three week holiday in the south of France, and I wore stockings and suspenders for the first time in a month today, since it was too hot down there. I really felt special today – and my husband is away on business, so it wasn’t for him!

Loving the woman in the stockings

modella_in_autoreggenti_20130627_1392019014I have been with my girlfriend for eight months and have been a stocking/hosiery lover on women for a number of years (ever since I convinced my high school girlfriend to wear hold-ups about eight years ago). When I first brought up the subject of hosiery with my g/f, she told me she hated to wear pantyhose/nylons… which I took to mean all hosiery. I then asked her what she wears on her legs for special occasions when she has to dress up, and to my surprise she told me stockings, specifically hold-ups. She has worn hold-ups when we have gotten together for a few special occasions, but she has not chosen this form of dress on a regular basis since I have known her.

This past weekend, she and I attended a wedding shower for a friend of hers. The week prior I asked her what she was going to wear, and she said that the bridesmaids (which she is one of) were asked to wear a long dress/skirt. I was fearful of asking her about hosiery (in order to not sound like a pain in the ass about it) but to my surprise, she said that she would like to wear a garter belt and stockings under her dress. You could imagine my excitement at hearing her initiate that, because up to this point in our relationship, I have initiated her wearing of stockings by verbal request or by buying them for her.

So the night before the shower, she and I went out shopping, and together we picked out a beautiful and sexy black, silky garter belt form Frederick’s of Hollywood. She said that she was going to be wearing a long brown dress, so she felt tan/nude stockings would compliment it best. That was the colour we chose, and after a nice dinner together, we went back to my house, where she gladly modelled her new treasure for me. She asked me as well to help her don her new hosiery, and show her how the clasps work, as she had never done this before. I told her I did some research on the subject (many thanks to all of you women on this site who have educated us men and other women on proper donning and clasping). During the time we spent afterwards (her modelling her wonderful legs, me admiring and drooling over them!), what I thought to be an insignificant incident happened. While caressing her legs, the velcro on my watch band nicked her right leg. We saw no immediate damage to the nylon and so our night continued on. The next day, as I was driving down to see her, she called me on her cell phone to tell me that she was not going to wear the garter belt. Momentarily dumbfounded , she then explained to me that she found a hole in one of the stockings when she tried them on… right where my watch band had nicked it! I of course, was immediately disappointed, and she too, expressed her dismay that she could now not wear her new lingerie (she had no other stockings, nor the time to go buy new ones). She said she would try on some hold-ups and see if those would work. She told me I would find out what she decided she was going to do when I saw her, which turned out to be the following… Bare legged.

By the time I saw this, my disappointment had passed, and I was just happy to see her, because she looked very beautiful in her brown dress and high heeled black sandals. I could only imagine how the stockings would have looked on her gorgeous legs in that dress and sandals. Regardless, we still had a wonderful weekend together.

I also made two observations that weekend as well. All the young women (20s and 30s) were barelegged at this shower, and the night before when my g/f and I were out to dinner, a group of high schoolers from a prom came into the restaurant, and out of the 15-20 girls who I observed, almost all of them were bare legged. That really blew my mind, and I know that observation has come up much on this forum. When I attended my proms in the early and mid ’90s, the young ladies would not be caught dead bare legged at that type of function. I even overheard female classmates of mine stating that they were going to wear hold-ups. These sightings (or non-sightings!) were most disappointing to me for I long for the return of hosiery into everyday wear amongst the younger female crowd. My own opinion is that this will not be the case forever, and that like any trends, bare legs will go out of fashion, and hosiery will resurface. I remember being a kid in the ’80s and seeing images and media from the ’70s of people in bellbottoms and thinking how ridiculous that looked. I told myself that bellbottoms would never come back, but they resurfaced in the ’90s and are still considered appropriate today. I feel the same rebound will happen for hosiery and stockings.

In terms of my girlfriend, the fact that she likes hold-ups/stockings is only one of the many desirable qualities I love about her. It is her in the stockings that I love, not the garments themselves (that point as well has been mentioned before by this site’s contributors). I do not expect her to convert to a full time stocking wearer, (or even half time) and it would have no impact on how I feel about her if she were to not increase the frequency of her stocking displays. What I love most about it is that she knows I like her to wear stockings, and she makes the effort to do so (and has fun with it!).

Producing fully fashioned stockings on modern machines

fully fashioned stockings– Is it really not possible to produce FF’s on modern round-knitting machinery? Okay, I’m not talking about “genuine” FF’s but rather a quality that comes as close as possible in terms of feel and look of the original thing, aka non-stretch and 100% nylon.

– Anything can be made less expensively if there are sufficient volumes. It’s a case of creating enough demand and then machine manufacturers would quickly design machines to produce them and the prices would fall.

– As far as I know, this is true. I understand that the machines that make hose these days use a different blend of nylon thread than what was used on the flat knitting machine. However, if there’s money to be made, someone will build a better mousetrap.

– It all depends on the thin thread of what is “close” and what is not. True, original fully fashioned stockings were made by knitting a flat (what could be described as a butterfly) leg, then the leg is closed by knitting the piece together to form a leg and the seam results.

That is why a FF stocking stretches to accommodate the width of a leg but does not stretch in height. If anything, if a leg is full, it will shorten the length of the stocking in order to accommodate – never the opposite.

Modern machines (circular) have a multi-directional stretch capability. This is why, in my opinion, modern stockings with seams are more difficult to keep straight than those made on the original machines.

Show Her Your Love With a Gift of Sexy Lingerie

By Suzanna Hardaway

The holiday season is a time of celebration and happiness and nothing says "I love you" more to your partner than having a romantic and intimate dinner together. To spice things up a little bit more give her some sexy lingerie to show her that you think she is beautiful.

Lingerie comes in many different colors, fabrics and textures. For those women who are somewhat modest but who still have a sexy side a teddy or baby doll lingerie is recommended. These lingerie sets contain a long top that extends down the thighs and a nice pair of underwear. Most of these teddies and baby dolls are sheer.

Those women who want to make a statement can wear sexy stockings. Stockings can be full length or up to their calf. Most men prefer women who wear fishnet stockings. These stockings can make a great sexy lingerie outfit. Women can mix and match different kinds of stockings with regular panties, or wear lace panties. Then they can pick a top or a bra that matches the stockings and panties.

Corsets are another hot item that should not be missing from any sexy lingerie set. There are different corsets for different occasions that are not limited to the holiday season. Women could wear strapless corsets, halter corsets and strapped corsets. These corsets are great because they help tighten the stomach and they help enhance the size of the breasts. Corsets are a great friend to a woman's physique because they seem to accentuate their figure.

Panties are a great complement to corsets or any sexy lingerie set. There are thongs and G-string panties for those women who are looking for comfort in a sexy package. For those women who are aiming for delicacy and style, the lace and embroidery panties are a great way of achieving this goal. The designs have all sorts of patterns and textures.

Gowns and robes are great if a woman wants to relax and be comfortable while also feeling sexy. Many robes and gowns come in several colors and textures. Some are sheer and can be long or short. They work great accentuating and concealing a woman's shape while also giving her the sexy edge.

It is not hard to achieve a nice and romantic setting no matter what combination of sexy lingerie a woman chooses to wear. There is always something wonderful to choose when it comes to fine undergarments. The good thing is that lingerie has a variety of colors and styles and they come in every price range.

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