Too young for stockings?

– Many of the ladies posting here have recorded memories of wearing stockings as young girls. It was the style then. It’s not now. Sexless pantyhose have taken over. But an interesting event of this morning prompts me to ask the group’s opinion on an unusual matter.

I told you in an earlier post about a disco fund raiser my wife had hosted. I also told you that some of the women attending had told her that they would be calling her to ask about stockings suppliers. One of the women called today and casually mentioned that she was going to need stockings and good garterbelts for herself and her two daughters. The daughters are 14 and 16. They attend a private school that requires skirts and sheer hosiery for its girls. Their mother has decided that pantyhose are out. Her daughters will from now on wear gartered stockings. (I’m sure they will become quite popular amongst the young men… and a few older ones too!)

I had already given my wife information about suppliers and she relayed it to the caller. But, I must confess, I think that 14 and 16 are too young these days to be wearing stockings at all – much less on a regular basis. Maybe it’s just me but I think stockings have a strong sexual connotation and power. Pantyhose do not. Just the thought of these two pretty young girls in stockings and garterbelts everyday makes me a little uneasy. I get very conflicted feelings. If they were 18 and older fine. But 14 and 16?

My wife of course disagrees. But is there an age these days that is too young to wear stockings? Or, said another way, at what age should young girls be allowed to wear stockings?

– It’s sad in this day and age that something as innocent as a pair of stockings has darker connotations. I tend to agree with you which annoys me as stockings are actually a lot healthier for women to wear than tights.

I started wearing stockings at 16 and never had any problems, but then again I was never one to flash my stocking tops. If these girls wear their stockings in the same fashion very few people will know, so it shouldn’t be a problem.

Definitely one to think about.

– I feel it should be the choice of these young girls to wear stockings – not their mother’s choice. The mother needs to be reminded of how she would feel if someone forced this issue on her. Remember too that the many of the young teenage boys of today are not raised with the values young teenage boys had in yesteryear. Meaning they are not always as kind and considerate, and these girls could easily encounter a lot of teasing and ridicule from classmates. It’s hard enough to be a teenager, but then to stand out by wearing an unusual form of hosiery, they will be made targets. They may also strongly rebel against what their mom wants them too do.

I am all for the promotion of stockings but I agree they are too young for this sort of thing. Unless they themselves have expressed an interest in the stockings, but still I think they are too young. After age 18 fine. Forgive me if I sound a bit old fashioned, but those are my feelings.

– What’s the problem. Stockings are a part of underwear. It is a little bit unusual when such young women (girls) wear them. But who is wrong? Those who think it is normal (or will we say nice or pretty) or those who say it is only for sexual doings?

– The comment that if these girls do not flash their stockings very few people will know reminded me of my own junior and senior high school days. We did have a few “flashers” but my biggest thrill came from catching a glimpse up the skirts of a girl who wasn’t flashing.

This was in the early 1960s. Pantyhose were practically unheard of and every red-blooded young American male I knew was hormonally challenged. We lived to see a bit of thigh above the stocking, a dark band of welt, a gartertab or, if we were particularly blessed, the Holy Grail itself, a panty sighting!

Ah, those were the days! These formative years introduced me to the joys of women wearing stockings and fine lingerie. Slips and petti-pants were popular and most girls wore white, pink or blue nylon or satin panties. It seemed to me that the less attractive girls always wore cotton panties and to this day they are a huge turn-off for me. My high school girlfriends wore lots of lace under their dresses and it has marked me for life.

I don’t know if these two girls will flash or not but they won’t have to. I promise you most, if not all, of the young men will soon know that these two young ladies are “different”. And, vive la difference!

– When my daughter entered high school with similar uniform and decorum requirements, my wife and I had this discussion. After lots of talk, the decision was stockings.

Ultimately, we had this discussion with our daughter to get her feedback. We discussed the social and sexual issues. Our daughter made it very clear the age of innocence relative to teasing and come ons was much younger than when we attended high school. She told us we were naive.

She made it clear she had been deflecting unwanted attention since sixth grade. Because she was 6’1″ tall in 9th grade, she said any comments about a flash would be easy to deal with after teasings about her height.

Our daughter saw stockings as a way to make a fashion statement while wearing what she felt was a drab uniform. My wife was careful to make sure the stockings were very long to reduce potential garter exposure.

This was ten years ago. To fast forward to today, I saw an article in the Atlanta Journal this weekend on back-to-school clothes battles between 9-12-year-old girls, and their parents in suburban Atlanta.

“Tweens”, as the AJC called the young misses, are being lured by the fashion industry into wearing hip-hugging pants and belly-button-baring tops that expose six-inches of skin. The AJC said Britney and Christina influence them, and parents go along with it.

Parents of a fifth-grade girl sued to allow their daughter the right to wear one of the new short mini’s that is shorter than the school’s modesty test permits. Suggestive dress on 9s and 10s makes any discussion of potential sexual concerns of stockings on a 14-year old look old fashioned. I think the real issue is how parents reared their daughters, and how much discussion takes place on moral issues at home.

– I suggest that if girls are old enough to wear any form of sheer hosiery then they should be given the choice to wear what they are most comfortable with. However, stockings do have some practical advantages over p/h and things like this should not be overlooked.

– Because of the almost unavoidable sexual connotations, I don’t think 14 and 16 old girls should be wearing garter belts. Boys just aren’t raised like they used to be. These innocent girls could, at the very least, be in an uncomfortable position or, even worse, be in danger. At the risk of sounding old fashioned I think they shouldn’t wear them.

– I’m not sure about this one. On one level it is nice to hear about a school that insists upon skirts and sheer hosiery rather than pandering to the trouser scourge but I am not sure that S&S are really right for a school environment.

When I was at school it was quite unusual for girls to be allowed to wear adult hosiery, as many schools would only allow their girls to wear white knee length socks (in fact believe it or not I think that my local school still has a knee socks only policy). I guess the idea was that the socks were by definition a “childish” garment and subsequently meant that the young lady didn’t get too hung up on her appearance at too young an age. I am not sure that the theory worked, as white socks in themselves are now considered a bit of a fetish item and with hindsight it was a bit harsh to make the girls wear them right through the winter.

– This is a real poser. I think I’m a pretty modern guy, but when I talk to my daughters, who are nearly 17 and 15, they tell me I’m so fuddy-duddy it’s not true! My eldest daughter especially is a really great looking girl, with legs right up to her armpits, and wears skirts which should really be called belts, as they cover her ass and no more. Now there’s no point in me telling her to wear longer skirts as she would tell me where to get off, and remind me that this is 2001 and not the ‘old days’ as she calls them. She wears tights only very occasionally-she doesn’t like hosiery, saying it restricts her and she doesn’t like the feel of it. But the point is this: kids today are a lot more street-wise than they were years ago, and – in my case anyway, and if I or their mother were to suggest that they wore S&S, they would think we’re not wise, or perverts or both! It’s a sad fact, but there it is.

– As a school counsellor in training, I last night visited the new Junior High School where I will do my practicum at and I was reminded of just how short the girls like to wear their skirts these days.

– Girls under sixteen wearing stockings – DEFINITELY a ‘no-no’:

Teenage girls will admittedly wear short skirts and even my eye has tended to ‘wander’ in the direction of them, sheer hosiery is natural such as tights, but stockings, no!

This world is to progressive: look at modern day role models for teenage girls who give the wrong image, ie Britney Spears, female rap artists, soap stars and even children’s television presenters.

– The only way that a young lady should wear traditional stockings to school is to have a skirt of the proper length. Maybe this will be a good thing as I cannot for the life of me understand how a parent would let their daughter go to school wearing some of the outfits I see them wearing. Stockings or not the potential for “a view” is pretty risky and parents need to be responsible.

With respect to stockings as opposed to tights. Yes times have changed and the decision needs to be made by individual parents and their daughters. Young girls need to dress and behave as young ladies, which they rarely do these days.

I went to parochial schools through high school and the girls were required (under threat of suspension or expulsion) to have skirts at a specified length which precluded any opportunity for flashing.

Public schools in the USA are unfortunately another story. From what I have seen on the street and in the stores, the choice of hosiery is the least of our concerns.

Stockings in and of themselves do not have to be construed improperly and when the woman wearing them is discreet then others are none the wiser.

I’m 73 years old, and attended parochial school. When entering seventh grade, that is, at about age 12, the young ladies were required to wear sheer stockings with their blue and white uniforms. Bobby socks were allowed with the stockings. The advent of sheer stockings was a “right of passage” for most girls of the era. My twin sisters four years older usually came to breakfast with their stockings rolled into their bobby socks, and then pulled them up and fastened the four garters as they left the house for school. I well remember my mother supervising the operation to insure that the seams were straight and there were no wrinkles in the stockings. On many occasions, my sisters had to adjust the garters several times before getting my mother’s approval. I was an interested, but unnoticed, observer.

Stockings under trousers: sexy or not?

– A question. In response to some of my posts a few people have indicated that they find stockings under trousers to be very sexy. To me it all seems a bit pointless – I don’t really see why it is worth bothering to put on a pair of stockings if you are going to wrap them away in trousers anyway. For me stockings should be an all or nothing thing and that has to mean wearing a skirt. But as we live in a democracy let’s put it to a vote. Are stockings sexy under trousers?

– Well personally it depends on how long the trousers are going to be on and under what circumstances they are going to be removed and the reason then becoming apparent as to why a female is wearing stockings. Not forgetting in which hotel room she is going to spend the night!

Then again I agree with you, trousers are not always the most glamorous garment on a lady unless she has the right figure and the garment is well tailored. But if she is going to wear hosiery, it must compliment and be pleasing to the eye in those few inches between the hem and the shoes.

Mind you, at least hosiery is a pleasing site on a woman in trousers as it is all to common too go without. It is obscene to see a man dressed in trousers and shoes with no socks, so why do women go without hose?

– My wife rarely wears slacks/trousers. When she does she almost always wears stockings with them. The alternative “pop-socks” are ugly, bare feet are rarely an option as she does not like the look or the feel

– A reason some people may not mind stockings under trousers is because they simply admire stockinged “feet”. Like me, they have a stocking foot fetish. So it really doesn’t matter a great deal if the woman is wearing a dress or pants. I do prefer women in dresses or skirts – since it creates an overall more feminine, stylish, alluring and sexy look – but it’s not so bad if they wear trousers so long as they wear nylons. But trousers without nylons (i. e. cotton socks or bare) … just isn’t on!

– I have one memorable memory of stockings being worn under trousers. This was the mother of one of my sister’s school friends in the mid 1970s.

A farmer’s wife, she was wearing tightish trousers, similar in colour, texture and appearance to jodphurs, and heavy duty lace-up shoes. It was when she bent forward that I noticed the outline of a heavy panty girdle with suspenders and an inspection of the gap between her trouser cuffs and her shoes revealed the heels of 30denier+ FF stockings. I remember being overwhelmed and curiously excited by the “heavy duty” nature of this outfit compared with the skirt and more feminine shoes she might otherwise have worn.

– Following on the “look” you described, check out the 1977 movie “September 30, 1955″ starring Richard Thomas for some absolutely stunning shots of the character’s shapely mother, wearing very tight jeans that end at her calves (almost like capris), and FF nylons with high-heeled sandals. Now that’s a look!

– I remember seeing a girl in her early twenties in 1988 at Wimbledon railway station wearing black trousers, high heels and FF hose, although I never knew if they were stockings. Sexy all the same!

– I have always loved the idea of stockings, suspenders and delicate panties under jeans. I think that it is the mix of the roughness of the denim covering up the sensual softness of the lingerie.

I went out with a girl many years ago who – when I danced with her at a party and put my hand on her trousered bottom – gave me the nicest surprise of a feel of a suspender strap! She smiled at me then and said that she was wearing them just for me as she knew I loved stockings and she had been trying to get my attention for a long time. My hand stayed on her bottom for most of the night!

– When I was a boy in the late ’50s, women often wore stockings under their slacks, especially when going to church functions on the weekend. I remember having fun looking for suspender bumps when the girls leant over, say at a picnic or a carwash.

– A nicely tailored pair of trousers that reveal about 2-3” of ankle, with the appropriate shoes does have appeal, and it is practical in some circumstances. Socks and runners are OK with jeans for casual wear, but I always used to wear tights under trousers. Now, stockings have replaced the tights, they are just as comfortable and practical. I would wear trousers a couple of times during the week, and casual ones on the weekend, and always with stockings.

Even the sight or glimpse of hosiery worn with jeans and pumps is a turn-on for me, but it must be sheer! Definitely a bare ankle or cladded in socks is a no-no!

Our group’s Statement of Purpose?

– My wife and I spent a few days this week meeting with a family foundation reviewing requests for grants. A request for funds from the foundation must meet certain guidelines but most importantly, to those making the funding decision, is a clear and concise Statement of Purpose. If the person or group requesting the grant cannot clearly explain his/their purpose in a paragraph or two we generally reject the proposal.

Later in the evening at a cocktail party for the Board of Trustees, my wife, looking more desirable than ever in a pair of cuban-heeled ffs and a positively indecent frock, asked me what the “purpose” of the Stockings HQ group was.

“Well,” I stammered, “Its the … ah… er. . promotion of stockings. Isn’t it?”

“That’s my point,” she replied. “You really don’t have a clearly stated purpose do you? Of course its for the promotion of stockings but to whom, how, why? Would you give a nickel to an applicant who presented that Statement of Purpose you just gave me?

“No, I wouldn’t. ” I sheepishly admitted.

But we don’t have a Statement of Purpose. We don’t. Do we? We’re just a message board aren’t we? Or are we more than that?

On the other hand, do we even need one? Aren’t we just too diverse a group to agree on one anyhow?

But maybe we ought to give this some thought? Maybe a clear Statement of Purpose placed prominently at the front page of this site would give newbies a quick overview of what we’re all about. Maybe it would help us all get a little more focused on our mission. And maybe just the process of writing one, in a collaborative effort, would motivate discussion, mutual understanding and promote a greater sense of community?

Now how could any of that hurt us? What do you think?

Give it a try! Post a reply to this or try to write a draft “statement” and post it here. If you are uncomfortable writing anything formal, how about giving us your thoughts about what our purpose really is?

– First time contributor here. Sounds like a good idea. There’s so much stuff on this site I was a little confused for a few weeks about what you all were up to. I had to read a lot of posts on all the forums before I got the hang of it. How about something along the lines of we are all here because we want women to wear stockings and we want to provide all the resources to make it easy for them to buy them, talk about them and learn how to wear them?

– During the mid-’80s, I participated in a consulting engagement for a major US real estate developer. McKinsey and Company, the pricey consulting firm of much ballyhoo, was the strategic consultant for the project.

McKinsey led the project team in a purpose-definition seminar. The outcome led to fast and precise development of guiding principles and values that enabled the development of a business plan in one-fourth “norm time” for developing a biz plan.

The bottom line – the project was a huge success in financial terms for the developer. After defining a clear purpose, achieving the goals became possible within the limited timeframe allowed.

– Ok, here’s a go:

“The Purpose of this group is to celebrate the beauty, elegance, sensuality and mystery of gartered stockings and our appreciation, admiration and respect for the women who choose to wear them. ”

– I like it but I suspect all the trannies and cross-dressers will not. But, maybe I don’t know enough about them. Does it offend any of them to say we have admiration, respect and appreciation for the “women” who wear them (stockings)?

– I’m not an expert on the CDs and trannies but it seems to me that their love of dressing “as” women is an expression of their love “of” women and all things feminine.

Those of us who are not CDs or trannies also appreciate the same things the trannies do. It’s just that we appreciate them on women rather than ourselves.

Sounds okay but a bit long. How about omitting sensuality and respect. For me sensuality is sort of implicit when you say mystery and respect is also implied when you say admiration. That’s just my two cents.

Stockings, rings and chains

– Is it cool to wear stockings with toe rings or ankle jewellery?

– I have always hated ankle bracelets (tacky) and toe rings (very tacky), whether with nylons or bare-legged. Sorry.

– My wife wears the gold ankle bracelet I got her as a present when we got serious and has done so for nine years under her hose. No rips, no runs, no errors.

I also sometimes like the “tarty” look when a women wears a gaudy ankle bracelet over some wild stockings.

– Until my toe ring broke recently, I have been wearing one for almost three years running. Some folks like them, some folks don’t.

– Anklets are nice under sheer tanned or black hosiery if very thin either in silver or gold, but chunky ones with high heels are definitely tacky!

– Toe rings are extremely sexy, as are ankle bracelets. Its feminine, and that is sexy. Artwork for the feet…

I wear both daily. I find that many men have a fetish for one or both. One even asked me why I wore stockings when it made them harder to see! The nerve!

Why women need to act responsibly in the way they dress

– I am absolutely sickened by the perpetual two-facedness of some women who use sex as a weapon in their endless struggle to get their way. The stockings forum has shown me how normal our shared fetish is and how absolutely mind blowing it is to see women expressing their sexual finery. Nothing turns me on more than a woman in the workplace in a short skirt and hosiery (a nice pair of legs is a bonus of course). There is absolutely nothing ‘wrong’ with admiring this and there is no way that a woman is unaware of the clear message she sends out when she dresses in a sexually provocative way. It is a very strong message but (and this is the important point) it goes out to all of us. ALL of mankind see her and she knows what’s going on inside our minds (and trousers!). To all you women out there – that’s not smut or perversion or filth or being dirty! That’s being NORMAL and being a man. No man is unaffected by sexually alluring dress so its about time that women took some responsibility in the messages they send out. All men are affected – no matter what age, colour, level of ability (or disability), colour of hair, level of income or whatever. We are ALL sexual beings who get turned on by pretty much the same things.

I am deeply annoyed and frustrated by the female attitude that they can dress raunchily for work just to attract a particular man. This is usually the boss and it seems to me that in any walk of life stockings, suspenders, short skirts and high heels go with power, money and position and nothing else. That leaves a lot of us guys in an invidious position: we are attracted like bees around a jam jar to Miss be-stockinged but unless we have the right level of power, money and position we are condemned to a miserable and frustrating existence where our sexual attractions are lived out only in fantasy. It’s all about power and how any woman can treat a man’s normal sexual instincts with contempt just beggars belief! To all those guys who are caught out looking at a lovely stockinged leg or a skirt riding up a lithe leg, I say this. You are not in the wrong. You are normal. But, I guess, you may possess the wrong configuration of power, money and position or be of the wrong age or perhaps have the wrong looks. Those dealt two queens and a king can run their hands up those stockinged legs as much as they want to. Those who were dealt two twos and a three just have their porno mags.

So women, don’t call the man ‘caught’ looking at your legs a pervert if you are not also prepared to use that bitterly insulting epithet for the man you are wearing your stockings for as well. You don’t want to have double standards now, do you? I have a hairy chest which a lot of women find sexy. I know that because I sometimes ‘catch’ them stealing a glimpse of it under my shirt. But I don’t run off to my boss and complain of sexual harassment when this happens and I certainly don’t label them perverts no matter how un-attractive they might be to me. If you want equality then have uniform standards for ALL people.

I am 37 and single. I am normal in that I think women in stockings look like dynamite. I would love nothing more than a partner who could satisfy me in every way and for me that would have to include stockings. As you might have guessed I live a very frustrated life. But dynamite these girls are, and they can explode violently against you if they want to.

– I really enjoyed your thesis on stockings and responsibility; I think we agree on most of the points you made.

Dress codes are (or should be) in place to protect everyone in the workplace – regardless of gender. Those guidelines help to foster a relationship between peers for the sake of the work and not encourage illicit behaviour. Over time there has been an erosion of personal responsibility and a sense of propriety.

Whether we like it or not, we women cannot escape the plain truth that as men, you are hard wired to focus continually on sexual stimuli – whether it be a woman’s legs, her backside, whatever. Occasionally I find myself admiring a woman for her attractiveness. We as humans are drawn to people and things that we find pleasing – and a woman’s figure is pleasing to the eye. There’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t consider a man’s glance at a part of my anatomy to be offensive – what can be though is if it’s followed up by a suggestive facial expression, or lewd comment muttered only for the woman to hear. Those make you shiver. Sometimes we wonder where thought stops and action begins.

Please allow me to play Devil’s Advocate for a moment. A woman from our local area was found beaten, assaulted and murdered, and her body dumped in a wooded area. Two men were arrested for the crime. The woman had been an exotic dancer; they had been at a club watching this woman dance. They allowed their feelings/impulses (fuelled, of course by a tremendous amount of alcohol) to impair their judgement. They were not satisfied with watching this woman dance – they had to put their feelings/impulses into action. Their defence was that she was a dancer – therefore of loose morals and expendable. They looked upon her as nothing more than an outlet for their own needs.

Now, to use your theory, by acting/dressing in a sexually provocative way, and giving off certain “signals”, this young lady “egged on” these two men, and therefore was responsible for her own demise. Yes, these men were clearly affected by her dancing; are you excusing what happened due to the circumstances? It was not a conventional workplace and therefore all bets are off? Does this mean that a woman walking down the street in a summer dress is liable to be assaulted, and because the dress was short she deserves what happens?

Do I think her choice of occupation eventually led to her murder? No, not really. I think she should have had a little more respect for herself than to be in that line of work. But that was her choice to make; she needn’t have died for it. I had met the woman briefly once or twice; she was bright, funny and gracious. It needn’t have happened.

I guess I need to acknowledge that you agree with personal responsibility on both sides – when assumptions are made, things like the above situation happen. We as women should not have to shroud ourselves in black flowing robes in order to feel safe; you should be adult enough to control your impulses. There is a time and place for everything – what one wears out to a club is indecent for office wear. Those are the lines that have blurred. But, women should have enough respect for themselves not to flaunt in public. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should.

I would welcome your comments, and anyone else’s. I’m not looking for a battle; just some honest talk about gender and our roles in today’s world.

– You reveal a feminine perspective on social change and male-female ethics that I find real world, as well as very educational.

Your descriptions of your attire preferences generate a very real vision for me. Your understanding of how men are wired emotionally and physically is unique. Your communication of how things work – and how they should work – is comforting.

– Your posting is deep and thoughtful. I agree with much of what I recall you posted, but I don’t agree with all of your posting.

We are in agreement about the responsibility and abuses of power. But, I disagree with your assessment of how women hold power with their dress. I also disagree that it takes wealth and power to succeed in relationships with women.

Your expressed frustration with your current relationship void is unnecessary. Create the vision for what type of relationship you desire, develop a plan you believe will help you achieve it, and make it happen by sharing your happiness.

By nature, men are physically stronger. That provides men a relationship edge that most women admire, but men absolutely must not abuse. Our chemical make up makes us more aggressive, and conventions in society provide men with the ability to initiate relationships with women they find desirable. (I have no problem with women that lose patience waiting and make the first move.)

Also, I disagree that women are exclusively attracted to power, and money. The myth that a man needs great looks to succeed with women is just that. Women are less visual than men.

A man’s looks are almost always secondary to how confident and secure a man makes a lady feel. Women are “wired” to seek out the best protectors and providers. Women consider men that project confidence attractive protectors and providers.

The world is full of men and women that compromise themselves for money, but women are less materially driven than men by nature. By nature, men hunt and keep score – women nurture and care.

While in college, I married a drop-dead gorgeous girl built like a MIT-designed brick @!#$ house. She still has her school-girl looks and rediscovered her girlish figure through strength training. She loves to delight me by wearing stockings, but has found they provide her an air of confidence she loves.

I am the son of a handicapped blue-collar worker that didn’t possess a high school diploma, and I am not good looking. My wife married me and provided for me before I could provide for her.

Before marrying, I dated maidens that later became Miss Ohio and Miss Kentucky. The eventual Miss Ohio I dated told me I helped her believe she could overcome obstacles she felt were beyond her. The eventual Miss Kentucky dated me after I directed her campus political campaign.

My father, who achieved financial success after I married and he was 60, taught me success in relationships was as simple as building trust, projecting confidence, and making the other person feel confident. He felt the principle applied to women and men. To Dad, trust came from being honest and reliable. Projecting confidence resulted from setting goals and executing basic fundamentals every day; and making others feel confident was a result of treating them exactly how I wanted to be treated.

I realise my assertions come off like sophomoric bragging, but my point is that women – more than men – find their power through acceptance and trusting relationships. A successful relationship with a quality lady is always built on a foundation of friendship and trust. Establishing that relationship requires the confidence to start the relationship, and the commitment of caring loyalty.

The physical side follows – except for the lucky few guys with great looks that get bowled over.

Allow me to suggest you can compete. First, recreate your vision to include the values and personality qualities you seek in a relationship. Identify exactly how you see your ideal lady treating you. Your expectations for physical beauty do not need to be reduced, but values and relationship ethics added.

Introducing stockings as part of your vision will come after you developed a relationship. Making it part of your vision is putting a barrier in front of the potential of a great relationship. When you build their confidence and trust, they’ll wear stockings for you.

Let me suggest two very strong confidence builders for you that you. The first is in a book called the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, by Stephen Covey. Dr. Covey details in his book the need to understand – before being understood. He also details six other principles that enable success in life. Dr. Covey teaches how to do what my father preached

The second confidence builder I suggest is Bill Phillips, Body for Life. Go to www.BodyforLife.com right now. Body for Life is a 12-week fitness program that changes lives. By the second week – before you see physical results – your confidence will hit an all-time high. It grows each week after that.

My wife went through the program, and I saw her confidence explode. I went through the program and follow the routine. It takes four hours a week.

Body for Life will enable you to compete in your mind, and in reality, with 25-year-old men physically. Many that complete the program find “soul mates” among others that employ “Body for Life” as a physical and mental health supplement.

After 12 weeks, you won’t have a confidence issue when you meet the type of lady that fits your vision. You might find the type of lady you’re attracted to will be approaching you.

I’m on the other side of 40, and 20-something girls approach me in the health club to converse. Men engage my wife in conversation much, much, more often than before she completed the program. We’re happily married, but we each enjoy the confidence boost this interest provides us.

The all-day orgasm?

3364393373_9ebc0ca880– While grazing over at the CD discussion group in the recent past I began to notice a trend of sorts. It seems to me that a lot of the guys posting there appreciate the self-stimulation value of some of the female clothing they wear as much as the style or the way it makes them look.
It made me recall comments made by women I have dated over the years who have told me that when they wore a certain article of clothing (most often a pair of panties (knickers) or stockings) it actually turned them on. One young lady in particular told me that every time she wore a certain pair of bikini panties that tied at the sides she became aroused. (I have to admit that every time I saw her in them I became aroused also. LOL. ) But her point was she wore them because they stimulated her, not me.
This whole thing got me to wondering. Ladies, do you have an article of clothing that is guaranteed to turn you on? Is there some item that you wear for yourself when you want to spice up your own day? If so, may I ask, what is it? Ladies only please.
– If men are more into visual stimulation, are women more into tactile stimulation? CDs aside, that seems to be the essence of your question. It will be interesting to see the responses of our ladies.
I went with a young lady who claimed that a pair of french knickers with a particularly lacy crotch would keep her occupied all day long. She would only wear them to the office when she anticipated a particularly boring day. She said they made the time fly.
– I think you’re both bonkers. If there were no men around women would dress in Mou-Mou’s. Women could care less about tactile stimulation whatever the hell that is. They just want to be comfortable. I think you’ve both been fooled here boys. The only reasons women dress in silks, satins and laces at all is either because men design the clothes or they are dressing that way to attract a man. As soon as they have him it’s all gone. Hell, most women don’t even have orgasms much less all day orgasms. Sure there are a few exceptions but mostly women are only stimulated by talking to other women. It’s called gossip mates. You’re not going to get many replies to this because women just don’t get stimulated by clothes. Grow up.
– Well, the efforts made by men to be sensitive to a woman’s wants and needs just took a big nose-dive!
As an answer to the only semi-question in your post: “tactile” means sensitivity to touch (I’m sure a more descriptive description will be found in your dictionary – that’s a book were you find big words!)
I am not attacking your post I am just amazed and astounded. Are there really people out there that are so insensitive and out-of-tune to the opposite sex, yet still capable of formulating sentences, that they would compose such a harsh condemnation of a woman’s desire to look her best.
My wife and I have been married for over 15 years, and will continue to be married until death do us part. In the meantime she continues to dress like a lady, she spends time selecting the right outfits and she wears lingerie including stockings because it looks good, and feels good.
There are many other contributors to this site who would take exception to your broad statement that “as soon as they have him it’s all gone”. Finally, I disagree with your assumption that the only other woman who enjoy good lingerie have lesbian tendencies. Stick around. We will enjoy demonstrating that your opinions can be changed.
– I stick to my point that you’re not going to get women to post here because they don’t get turned on by wearing clothes. Its been almost a full day since the original message and so far no women have said they get turned on by wearing a particular article of clothing. So, I rest my case and you are the one whose opinion needs to be changed.
I wear stockings, lingerie and high heels because I like the way they feel and the appearance they project i.e. WOMAN. I didn’t discover this until my mid-30s. I admit my contemporaries are comfort and carefree orientated but to lump all women in a bag and say we are all the same is crazy. E-mail me and I’ll send you a pic to show you I’m a woman. There are many women who post here who do wear stockings for the same reasons. The week-end isn’t the best time for a poll.

The reaction of women to women wearing stockings

1.40 The reaction of women to women wearing stockings“I noticed (especially around New Year) the reaction of women to other women who are more seductively dressed. The greatest example was a young woman at a party who was wearing (thank god) a pair of hold ups (better if they were nylons, but at least in the right direction). They peaked through a couple of times and they attracted the attention (mine included) of the majority of men at the party. Needless to say, most of the women there began to comment in a negative fashion about the young woman’s attire. They made some ridiculous claims and some harsh comments about a person whom most of the people personally knew little about.”

“When I first began wearing stockings this summer, I would watch people as I walked on the streets, and especially on the subways. I would get double takes to admiring glances from men, even some nice comments.

“The looks from women, though… I was really surprised that there were women whom I could tell were obviously making assumptions about my morality based on my stockings. What the hell does one have to do with the other? At first it troubled me. No one likes to be on the receiving end of disapproval. And let’s face it – we women dress to impress each other, not men. When we read the fashion magazines to see what style of shoes are most popular, we do that for other women – to give evidence to our being ‘in the know’. For the most part, men are not going to know the difference between a pump and a mule – let alone a Sabrina heel. It’s code we use between us.

“But then I began to see the humour in it. Did these women really believe that my wearing stockings was going to hasten the fall of Western civilization? Was I somehow setting back the cause of feminism? Was there going to be a mass rampage of out of control men raping and pillaging because somehow I’m responsible for tempting them? Bah! How could a pair of FF stockings with a conservative skirt suit be any more threatening than the groups of marauding teens with their pierced everythings and purple mohawk hair-dos?

“There are always going to be those who feel they are the moral arbiters for the rest of us. If others wish to project their hang-ups on others, that’s their business. I carry myself and act with dignity – most of the time and I know my own self worth. I am a lady – and I choose to dress like one.”

“I went to a health club yesterday on a trial membership. Thought I’d make good on my New Year’s resolution to tone up and lose a few pounds. Nice facilities but an open change area with no private booths. When I started to undress, I received some horrified and disgusted looks from some of the other ladies. Several made not so subtle comments about my stockings and open bottomed girdle. I detected words like ‘slut’, ‘whore’ and ‘who does she think she is?’ I was ticked off and uncomfortable.

“I got a similar reaction after the work-out and shower as I was dressing. I could feel their eyes on me. So on my way out I told the manager. Her comment to me was that members have the right to their opinion and nonconformists should expect to be talked about. I’m not going back, needless to say.”

“One thing I have noticed about women who wear stockings is that they are confident ladies. Somehow I guess they have to be, whether they’re just making a statement to themselves, or to a wider audience. Why other women’s reactions negative? Well, from experience, women are not always negative – some I have met are inquisitive, some think ‘I wouldn’t have the nerve to do that’ but wish they did.

“Part of it is that they don’t have the same kind of self-confidence. It’s a bit akin to the tall poppy syndrome – criticise those that are more successful or more confident or stand out just a little bit from the crowd. Well, it’s easier to criticise than to do or join.”

Legs from Sweden

tacchi_e_calze_di_nylon_20150901_1713497831Legs are certified 100% made in Sweden, black stockings and high heels probably coming from somewhere else but… who cares? This lady has a fetish for high heels shoes (she is calling herself an high heels fetishist). For sure she has an amazing pair of legs and a great collection of pantyhose, hold-ups and stockings to lure all the men on the web and probably not only men!

Here you can find the gallery, published on lgdd.

An appeal to common sense – anon

tockings for the lovers of lifeOf all the questions concerning God and our Creator, the paradox of life, the convoluted mysteries of death and the beyond … the only enigma that has me baffled is: Why aren’t all women lesbians? We men are large, clumsy, hairy, and in most cases very inept … we’re proud, arrogant, and crude beasts. It has always completely eluded me – Why would any human desire an animal such as us, when they could feel the silky lips, the curvature of hips, thighs, and back … that could only be compared with the ebbs and swells of an ocean, the soft tease of hair against the delicious bite of nails of a lusty woman? It’s the aura of the infinite that encompasses women, avatars of life and passion. And when these divine creatures adorn those luscious leggings, it’s the equivalent of God in full armor, brandishing a sword above his head – a site that is, to use the cliché, awe-inspiring.

I’m still young and passionate, inexperienced in that I’m still with my first lover, but I’ll always remember that burst of life that shot through me when she first came to me in naught but those glorious stockings. It’s a momentary, fleeting, but blissful flavor of the nectar the gods must drink. As a man, to know she wants and loves you enough to use all the tools in her power to go above and beyond what is necessary to turn you on, is simply magnificent.

In two months, I leave for West Point, NY to the United States Military Academy. It’s a cause I wholeheartedly believe is worth defending, fighting, and dying for … no, I’m not talking about stockings [that wouldn’t be too corny…]. It’s for life and the passion that it inspires. It is the same passion that brings young lovers to each others arms, that pushes them to do more for one another, not only sexually, but financially, socially, and religiously. For those of us that worship women and the exotic, but sophisticated air about them, the stocking is a symbol of that passion – a banner that screams to all, the pleasures and motivations of all our furious endeavors and mule-stubborn drives.

Bare legs are for the lazy; pantyhose for the practical; stockings for the lovers of life. Besides, at the risk of destroying the credibility of all I just argued, stockings offer easier access.

End of a love affair?

Bunch of stockings“This is just the thing I’ve been thinking about lately & was considering posting about it. Why were women once incredibly in love with nylons (that famous date is May 15, 1940 when women mobbed stores when nylon was first introduced), and now detest, are ambivalent about, or only mildly interested in, nylon hosiery (I include pantyhose)?

“A related question: how could stockings – a revolutionary garment brought about by modern chemical technology – have fallen into disregard, nay oblivion – so quickly (at best after 30 years)? These are intriguing questions.

“Perhaps feminism must be held to blame. As Susan Brownmiller says in Femininity (1984, Fawcett/Ballantine Books – perhaps the definitive anti-feminine, feminist tract): ‘the subtle tyranny of the nylon stocking over the minds and actions of women for the next twenty years – until it was partially overthrown by the anti-bourgeois fashion revolution of the Sixties – should not be forgotten.’

“By the late ’80s most women still wore some nylon on their legs. Come the ’90s, and nylon-wearers have become the minority. That’s probably because even women who consider themselves ‘feminine’ have adopted more casual attire.

“The other contradiction I notice about women – and not even particularly ‘feminine’ ones – is the attention to otherwise feminine ‘looks’ – ie grooming and make-up. It’s hard to come across any woman these days who doesn’t paint her nails. Most wear lipstick. Most spend a lot of attention on their hair and skin. It’s in the realm of clothing that attitudes, for some reason, have changed. This is an ongoing discussion… It’s as if there is some kind of sinister plot to put women off wearing nylons. It’s leading to nylon warfare!

“I think what I can deduce from this in a nutshell, is that women always appear to be old enough to decide whether they like nylons or not (possibly influenced) but for a man it is as if nature intended it to be. I certainly didn’t choose to like women in nylons, but I do and I’m proud to admit it, after all it’s something that was out of my control! I never knew the subject of nylon stockings was so complex, it’s like rocket science!”

“Down here where I live in Kent, I have done studies on particular women on a regular basis (excluding my girlfriend) to see how often they wore a skirt and hosiery. The girls that I have studied, at work, in local shops, in pubs etc, have continually worn trousers. This has been over a period of almost eighteen months. Femininity I am afraid to say is rapidly diminishing and female pride in dress sense has almost gone entirely.”

“Yes, we can all agree that there are choices out there – and that we as women should exercise that choice. However, I truly believe that in some cases the trendsetters are putting their ideas out there, and so overpowering any other competition as to make it non-existent. When was the last time anyone walked into a store and found the choices of skirts, blouses and nice dresses to be anywhere as large as the trouser/ jacket sections? I have to hunt until I’m blue in the face to find pretty clothing! All the stuff that is out there makes me think of Communist re-education camps! And as for choices in hosiery – well, here you have to wade through the knee-deep piles (pardon the pun) of opaques and other garbage just to find decent fleshtone nylons!

“And remember who it is that’s running the American Fashion industry right now. All those women who ran around burning their bras thirty years ago! Did you ever see one feminine piece of clothing turned out by Donna Karan? And forget about our pal Calvin – he’s been designing for skinny little boys for thirty years!

“Until we see a new crop of designers come in with the intelligence of Christian Dior or the style of Coco Chanel, we ain’t gonna see anything new.”

“On recent visits to the supermarket, it has been my observation whilst standing in the queue waiting to pay and looking at people’s shopping (and be honest, we all do!) that women are not buying stockings. Even when you look at the hosiery sections, tights are more widely displayed than stockings, and when you go into a newsagent’s shop stockings are not to be seen on display for sale – just tights and pop socks.

“Sadly, although this web site is doing it’s utmost best to promote stockings, I feel that overall the tights revolution has got a ‘foothold’! Even if a woman is not wearing tights, then she is closeted in trousers.”

“In taking a purely pragmatic view of things you’re probably right but you shouldn’t be so defeatist. After all, we on this forum aren’t going to change the world overnight. It is a long haul job and results will be hard to come by but you must keep the faith and believe that stockings will persist and if enough people keep spreading the word then it will get better.

“There isn’t enough publicity about at the moment to make a real difference and of course the manufacturers have an interest in keeping it that way. Just remember, seeing the next woman in stockings will be all the more sweeter just because they’re quite rare.”